What is the maximum depth of cut turning?

15 Apr.,2024

 

Even Depths of Cut: Why is it important, and how does it work?

 

There has been a new addition to the way we calculate the depth of cut in Profile Roughing. What does it do? Why is it important? And How does it differ from the standard strategy?

 

Let us take a look at what we are doing today and let us refer to it as “Constant Depth of Cut,” because that is what we are telling the software to perform for us.

 

If we were to set our Maximum Depth of Cut to 2mm, it would apply that 2mm cut from the Stock Boundary downward ignoring the actual model geometry but giving you the expected results of having a predictable stepdown for each pass of the turning insert until we reach the bottom boundary (Revolved Center of Part).

 

 

 

What’s the issue?

 

That tiny pass highlighted here is the main culprit.

 

 

What’s the problem with that little pass, you might ask? It is simply not an equal depth of cut. But, that small change forecasts a lot of problems for us to determine later how we can make corrections to getting the right tolerance and surface finish. Even depths of cut mean we have even chip thickness, predictable deflection of the part or tool, and equal heat dissipation during cuts.

 

Why is it important?

 

Keeping the variables to a minimum is always the ideal scenario. Minimizing variables ensures quick diagnosing of problems that might occur. For instance, if we have major tool deflection while cutting the same amount across multiple shoulders, we can simply adjust our tool offsets in the controller to account for the deflection for each diameter. If we have a constant depth of cut, which results in a thin final rough pass on one shoulder, but the other two are equal, we might have fluctuations in the resulting diameter simply based on the tool deflection. Now to fix an issue where we have variability, we need to go back to Fusion to change the dimensions of the single diameter to bring it into tolerance without disturbing the other two diameters.

 

With parts that contain multiple shoulders like the example, we’re looking at, the ideal way to machine the depth of cut may not always be a constant prescribed number. The user can’t possibly be held accountable to measure each shoulder diameter and calculate an average depth of cut from the top of stock across the entire part.

 

Even Depths of Cut is here to save the day!

 

 

So, how does it work?

 

Simple Geometry

 

We split up each diameter into a ‘region’ to calculate the proper step-down of each Region and then merge them into an average that will evenly distribute for all widths. Below is two basic examples of how regions are defined in the algorithm based on whether the user chooses to do Vertical or Horizontal passes. For this instance we gave the software a suggested “Max Depth of Cut” of 3mm. 3mm won’t be the exact depth of cut output for each pass as with constant depth of cut but a value to not exceed. The algorithm will now look ahead at the model and split it into regions based on recognizing flats and calculate the depth of each pass to have them evenly spaced. The result is 2.6mm for each pass and a predictable cutting condition constant from shoulder to shoulder.

 

 

Complex Geometry

 

But what happens when the part geometry is more complicated? This first example of more complex geometry shows where we might have an uneven depth of cut occurring.

 

 

With no simple way to identify regions based on flat surfaces, how do we define the Region to split this part up?

 

 

 

By using the inflection point(s) of the model, we can determine the regions to split and calculate the depth of cut evenly for complex shapes.

 

Angled Faces

 

The last case is angled faces. For this instance, we can look at an NPT Thread example that has a 5-degree taper to the shaft. The algorithm will look at anything greater than 5-degrees as a region; anything less will be considered not a splitting region. Like in the tapered surface below.

 

 

With no flat to determine the Region or an inflection point, we cannot clearly identify what is a proper splittable region to achieve an even depth of cut. In fact, this one, we will not be able to achieve an even depth of cut at all due to the angled surface. But, to eliminate the small remaining amount of material, we can determine what minimum and maximum of a region are for angled faces. This is why we built in a maximum angle of 5-degree for considering regions. If the angle is greater than 5-degree, it will not consider it a “flat” region. Giving us the best results below.

 

 

 

What’s coming next?

We started with even depth of cut working for Outer Diameter and Inner Diameter roughing with almost every combination of setting except a few: no drag, Back cutting, and Rest Machining (working from casting).

 

We took some liberties with assumptions in the algorithm and want to open more options up for users to determine. For instance, Maximum depth of cut is the only input, so what is the minimum depth of cut? Currently, we handle it by Region. Any flat region that is less than the maximum depth of cut we do not consider a region as well. We will be looking to open a minimum depth of cut field to control that value better.

 

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Maximum depth of cut in rough turning, based on turning insert shapes

We decide the depth of cut on the basis of an arbitrary thumb rule. E.g., in rough turning we’ll always use a depth of cut of 3 mm. Why not 4, 5 or 6 ? Nobody knows. Just a bad thumb rule that makes your lathe a white elephant.

Here’s a little-known fact about inserts. They have a maximum depth of cut based on their shape and size. In roughing operations, doubling the depth of cut halves the cutting time, enables you to use the machine’s spindle motor better, increases your profits. By using an arbitrary thumb rule we are under-utilizing the insert and more importantly, under-utilizing the machine. See this post for more on this : CNC spindle power and ROI.

This table shows the max. depth of cut for various insert shapes.

Max. depth of cut chart

You can actually increase the depth of cut to these values if there is spindle power and torque available, as explained here: Maximizing spindle power usage.

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Khari Baoli, Delhi – spice street


I went to the Khari Baoli spice market in Delhi one summer evening, in search of pickles for myself and walnuts for a friend. It’s a street full of shops selling spices, pickles and dry fruits.

A place worth seeing even if you’re not a fan of any of these. Amazing colour, energy and chaos. Also an amazing variety of pickles. You actually sneeze a lot, because of the spices floating around in the air.

Khari baoli means the ‘well of salt water’. The market, near Chandni Chowk, was built during Mughal times, during the reign of Shah Jahan. The step well after which it’s named was used for animals and for bathing, and got covered up sometime in the past 350 years.

By the way, speaking of spice, at one end of Khari Baoli road is GB Road, Delhi’s biggest red light area, also in existence since Mughal times. Named after Garstin Bastion, a British Collector of the time (by the way, Garstin, could you have ever guessed what they were going to name after you ?)

If you’re a pickle lover and are visiting Delhi, pack in a small trip to Khari Baoli. If you live in Delhi, lucky you !

Here’s more info on the place : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khari_Baoli

The pickle collection in my home (about 15 types – pic. above), at one time has now reduced to about 5 types for health reasons.

What is the maximum depth of cut turning?

Maximum depth of cut of turning inserts